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colwyn500
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 Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: Tax Disc on pre-1960 cars. |
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| Does anyone have a link to information about how to obtain the tax disc after the end of November without an MOT? |
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Rick
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buzzy bee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Same for tractors, and steam engines, some offices require a form explaining mot exemption, you download that online or get it posted to you. Also some post offices seem to require you to go to DVLA, some don't, so if one does, try another..... lol |
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Brian M
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Surely the On-line retaxing DVLA system will recognise the vehicle as not requiring the electronic MOT check.
Or am I expecting too much of the DVLA 
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colwyn500
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Brian M wrote: | Surely the On-line retaxing DVLA system will recognise the vehicle as not requiring the electronic MOT check.
Or am I expecting too much of the DVLA |
Thanks for the replies everyone. Brian, I fear that the common-sense that you anticipate might be expecting too much of the DVLA. They have one of those systems that works fine for everyday vehicles being regularly taxed and MOT'd but it does seem to struggle with anomalies. |
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Rick
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Brian M wrote: | Surely the On-line retaxing DVLA system will recognise the vehicle as not requiring the electronic MOT check.
Or am I expecting too much of the DVLA |
It may do when floods of cars suddenly qualify for MOT exemption, but I've never been able to tax the MOT-exempt truck online (perhaps due to only some lorries, over a specific weight and age, qualifying?).
Strange that as owners of what will be MOT-exempt cars, we've not heard anything official from DVLA about it. I'd have expected a letter about it at the very least, or maybe there'll be a note when tax disc reminders get posted out?
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ukdave2002
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:58 am Post subject: |
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From memory, when the tax disc reminder arrives it states what else is required to tax the vehicle i.e. normally current MOT and Insurance, so presumably pre 60's vehicles will just state insurance is required?
and if the next set of changes is approved it will no longer be a requirement to produce evidence of insurance when taxing a vehicle.... the DVLA may as well just send a tax disk out rather than a reminder 
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clan chieftain
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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There are many people who run about without any tax, mot or insurance.Probably the same ones dont have any life insurance either.Personally I feel all pre60 vehicles should have mots as it will encourage a lot of scrappers on to ebay and the like and jack up the prices of pre60s cars.
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colwyn500
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| marina estate wrote: | | There are many people who run about without any tax, mot or insurance.Probably the same ones dont have any life insurance either.Personally I feel all pre60 vehicles should have mots as it will encourage a lot of scrappers on to ebay and the like and jack up the prices of pre60s cars. |
I have seen it said that it may possibly reduce the price of pre-1960 cars. Since there will be no statutory check on their condition, buyers will be more wary of them.
I think that it will become more likely that older cars will be stopped by Police. Some people, including me, like their cars to look their age. Police previously will always have assumed that old cars are MOT'd and taxed if someone was brave enough to take it on the road. I guess that in future, so long as an old car is shiny and fresh it will be left alone; but let the car look tired and you will be more likely to be pounced on.
It has been bad enough, in the past, hoping that MOT testers know about the exemptions that apply to older cars; it will be a nightmare trying to convice a 21 year-old traffic-cop!
PS. I don't see how not having life insurance places someone in the same class as an un-insured driver; my old cars are part of my life insurance. Someone is going to benefit from them! |
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Penman
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Hi
I have still to see any documentation showing that this has actually gone from being a consultation document into legislation, let alone being a passed bill or statutory regulation change.
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Brian M
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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[Cynic mode on]
The changes to the MOT requirements are to get the UK into line with EEC regulations. But we have left the voluntary MOT test available. The DVLA will claim their systems will not allow them to issue tax discs to vehicles without an MOT. So if you want a tax disc you have to get an MOT. Therefore we have obeyed our masters in Brussels but not allowed untested wrecks straight on the road after they have rotted in a barn for 20 years.
[Cynic mode off]
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colwyn500
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Penman wrote: | Hi
I have still to see any documentation showing that this has actually gone from being a consultation document into legislation, let alone being a passed bill or statutory regulation change. |
The legislation was passed back in May, I think. It comes into force on November 19th or thereabouts. After that date, no car manufactured before 1960 will need an MOT before venturing on the road.
It is uncharacteristically progressive of "the authorities" to allow cars that are so old and that are likely to have been significantly dismantled by an un-trained mechanic to drive on the road without testing; but good on them, I say. |
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ukdave2002
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| colwyn500 wrote: | | Penman wrote: | Hi
I have still to see any documentation showing that this has actually gone from being a consultation document into legislation, let alone being a passed bill or statutory regulation change. |
The legislation was passed back in May, I think. It comes into force on November 19th or thereabouts. After that date, no car manufactured before 1960 will need an MOT before venturing on the road.
It is uncharacteristically progressive of "the authorities" to allow cars that are so old and that are likely to have been significantly dismantled by an un-trained mechanic to drive on the road without testing; but good on them, I say. |
It doesn't require bill or legislation as its allowed under current EU Law that we subscribe to; its a much simpler regulation change, if you look through the original post on this topic there was a link to the announcement.
It gets us more in line with Europe as the UK's current testing requirement is more stringent than the EU requirement.
The concern that we should have is that other countries, both EU and non EU with similar regulations, also have restrictions on use, we need to ensure that restrictions are not a future constraint in the UK.
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Uncle Alec
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Have I not read somewhere that to qualify for the "no MoT required" status the vehicle must have an MoT current at the time of the introduction of the legislation? |
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colwyn500
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Uncle Alec wrote: | | Have I not read somewhere that to qualify for the "no MoT required" status the vehicle must have an MoT current at the time of the introduction of the legislation? |
Alec, I haven't read that but it would, of course, be the answer; all cars to have either a current MOT valid this November or to be given an initial MOT upon returning to the road after restoration.
However, I doubt that this is the case because I guess that there would then be dual standards. After many years of the existence of the new system there would be cars that had been continuously licenced, had never seen an MOT man for years and had no more evidence of being roadworthy than a basket case dragged from scrap.
I believe there is little to worry about in terms of road safety; a lot of professional minds have been focussed on that. There are also fears that old car use will be restricted, but I doubt that too.
We are fortunate in this hobby that there appears to be a very strong representation within the the circle of our Lords (literally) and masters and I am sure vintage motoring is safe; at least until another, perhaps more cautious generation is in charge. By that time many of us will be old enough that we will probably be the limiting factor to use of the cars!
I did not previously put in a link to the official announcement so here it is.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20120521a |
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