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Martin Coombs



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: South American IDs wanted Reply with quote

First, may i introduce myself? A newly retired teacher living in Cumbria who ran a couple of LandRover Series 1s many years ago, but whose principal interest in the field of old transport is my website on the old railways of Patagonia at http://www.railwaysofthefarsouth.co.uk/

Occasionally this throws up interesting old photos of road vehicles as well; some of which are beyond my ability to identify. The photographs below are currently taxing me, and any assistance in identifying the vehicles would be much appreciated.

1 An Argentine State Railways (FFCCE) survey party in Chubut territory in 1922.



2 Another view during the same railway surveying trip.



3 This one is at Stanley in the Falklands, but also during the 1920s, probably 1926. The scene is at the Stanley Improvement Works depot.



4 And finally one I can make a guess at. An early Mack carrying a small O&K steam loco, probably before the First World War, in the Rio Negro territory of Argentina.



Well, any guesses? The first two could be of any nationality. Argentina had links with Spain and Italy but US manufacturers will also have been actively selling their products. The third picture, being in the Falklands, is much more likely to be a British made vehicle. And No. 4, as mentioned, I think is a Mack.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Martin,

No.4 looks like a Mack to me also.

The smaller truck in photo 2 reminds me of the Ford TT (http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/ford-modeltt.htm) although Dane ("roverdriver") will know more about this than I.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, no 3 looks like a Morris Commercial to me ,Ken
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't recognise the truck in No.1, but the car beyond and to the left is a middle '20's Ford (T of course). The other car looks very much like a Chevrolet.

In No. 2 the truck is most definitely a TT. Unfortunately the figures obscure most of the front, but I would guess circa 1925. The car would be a Chev 6, possibly the same one as in Photo 1.

I am wondering if No. 3 could be one of the smaller Albions.

No.4 is about as Mac as can be.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first impresion of the Lorry in photo 1 is Scammell.

A lot of military spec heavies of that period had a similar layout.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

roverdriver wrote:
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I am wondering if No. 3 could be one of the smaller Albions.
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that did cross my mind too, as I could just imagine the "sure as the sunrise" design being displayed on the top of the radiator.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought picture 1 was a Scammel too but from the '30s.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
47Jag wrote:
I thought picture 1 was a Scammel too but from the '30s.

Art


Nice comparison is the tractor unit about 1/2 way down this page.

http://scammellregister.co.uk/history-of-scammell.html

Front wheel centre line close to Radiator vertical, double set of louvres in bonnet side, high headlights , curved top rear corner to side door window/opening and wheels look similar.
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Martin Coombs



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: South American IDs wanted Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone who has replied with ideas about these vehicles. I am convinced about the first one being a Scammell, not least by the bodywork having that huge cut-out which would allow for the 'walking beam' rear bogie articulation. However, that suggests the photo would have to be 1927 or later rather than 1922 as I had thought. Or were there earlier versions of that feature?

Keep the ideas coming in. I will certainly acknowledge the group when I add some of these thoughts into picture captions for the book on Patagonian railways that I am currently writing, though I may not have the space to mention individual names!

Martin
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