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Rootes75



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:13 am    Post subject: Combat Dealers Reply with quote

Flicking around the channels yesterday we watched a couple episodes of Combat Dealers. One was very interesting, they viewed a Merc that was once used by Adolf himself. They found it in Leicester of all places.

Anyone else interested in military vehicle preservation?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As interesting vehicles, yes. But I am not in to the war thing at all. The real thing is so terrible.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dipster wrote:
As interesting vehicles, yes. But I am not in to the war thing at all. The real thing is so terrible.


I have that trouble. I'm seventy so grew up in its wake when one could miss the effect it had on everyone involved. No one except the BBC of course who've lectured on it ever since.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose I think differently about it, I grew up with stories from my Grandfathers so both my brother and I were fascinated. We are both in our forties now and are both still interested.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Combat Dealers Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
... they viewed a Merc that was once used by Adolf himself. They found it in Leicester of all places.

Anyone else interested in military vehicle preservation?


Probably one of Kevin Wheatcroft's vehicles, the episode rings a bell actually, I watch it from time to time. We went to KW's farm once, while we didn't get to see his buildings full of memorabilia, there were a few interesting artefacts dotted around outside.

RJ
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/12/22/european-collectors-restricted-from-buying-tanks-other-vintage-military-vehicles/

What do you guys think about this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/12/22/european-collectors-restricted-from-buying-tanks-other-vintage-military-vehicles/

What do you guys think about this?


I can see the logic in this.

We, and many other countries, restrict ownership of guns. Many countries restrict ownership of items such as bullet proof jackets and armoured cars (civilian type cars) to protect society. So why not military cast offs?

It is just a reflection of the sad state of affairs in the world. Having said that may I wish you all a happy, peaceful and healthy new year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is logic in this but to be honest, tanks and the like are so expensive they are already restricted to only the very serious and wealthy collectors. They aren't available to the likes of us.

I would quite like a small WW2 truck, probably of the types my Grandfather drove.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish someone would explain the logic to me because I can't see any. As far as I know, no historic military vehicle has ever been used in a terrorist attack in Europe, nor can I visualise any scenario in which one might be used.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had terrorist tendencies, I don't think I would be looking at arming myself with some ancient firearm when modern weaponry is so readily available.

This is a bit like the FIA tinkering with the Formula One rules whilst completely missing the fundamental problems.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
If I had terrorist tendencies, I don't think I would be looking at arming myself with some ancient firearm when modern weaponry is so readily available.

This is a bit like the FIA tinkering with the Formula One rules whilst completely missing the fundamental problems.


and then there is the FIFA/Poppy debacle. All three are perfect examples of a 1970's idea that grew into a bureaucratic monster.

I am not aware of a (vehicle related) terrorist atrocity that was carried out with anything other than a modern (vehicle) car, van, truck, or plane.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this directive has everything to do with weapons and nothing at all to do with vehicles (or armour for that matter) which is why I was surprised that FIVA would be alarmed.

As I see it this is just another example of the E.U. being out of touch with reality. Do they really imagine a terrorist paying out huge sums on a WW2 museum artefact in order to spend even more re activating it and yet more cash on getting obsolete ammunition made specially for it then having to transport the thing to somewhere that it can cause havoc when all they need to do is shoot the driver of a truck and drive it into a crowd?

No wonder people voted for Brexit. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true .i like military vehicles but don't dress the part( but don't mind people that do ,that is their choice) I have 2 a Volvo sugga and a Volvo trygge.
Military vehicle collectors are a varied bunch but are quite interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dad's first car (1950) was a wartime Commer utility (I think you call them a pick-up truck) I believe it was ex-RAF and had been used in the Western Desert. However, I could be corrected on that! It was virtually a Hillman Minx utility with an army type canvas canopy on the back. We had that for years and I was very sorry when Dad moved it on in the mid-fifties. (Swapped it for an Austin Seven Ruby!)

I would be very happy to have a restored example of that Commer in my driveway. Not so much for it's military history, but because it formed such a powerful part of my own childhood!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith D wrote:
Dad's first car (1950) was a wartime Commer utility (I think you call them a pick-up truck) I believe it was ex-RAF and had been used in the Western Desert. However, I could be corrected on that! It was virtually a Hillman Minx utility with an army type canvas canopy on the back. We had that for years and I was very sorry when Dad moved it on in the mid-fifties. (Swapped it for an Austin Seven Ruby!)

I would be very happy to have a restored example of that Commer in my driveway. Not so much for it's military history, but because it formed such a powerful part of my own childhood!

Keith


It probably had a lower axle ratio and bigger tyres/wheels
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