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Penman



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:52 am    Post subject: MoT failures Reply with quote

Hi
The Dept for Transport is consulting on raising the First Test date to 4yrs instead of 3.
Is this reasonable when nearly 40% of the cars currently attending for MoT tests have failure faults on entry, and even after the minor ones are corrected on site nearly 30% are still unroadworthy

This link gives access to those figures and also what the particular fault %'s are for each class of test, plus other stats re MoT's for the last 3 yrs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/mot-testing-data-for-great-britain
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: MoT failures Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
Hi
The Dept for Transport is consulting on raising the First Test date to 4yrs instead of 3.
Is this reasonable when nearly 40% of the cars currently attending for MoT tests have failure faults on entry, and even after the minor ones are corrected on site nearly 30% are still unroadworthy

This link gives access to those figures and also what the particular fault %'s are for each class of test, plus other stats re MoT's for the last 3 yrs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/mot-testing-data-for-great-britain
Unless one does a very high milage it would be really difficult to fail a first MOT in a modern for anything other than bulbs? at work we run about 2000 cars, 25 years ago they're were changed at 60K or 3 years whatever came first, now its 200k or 4 years and we spend very little on the high milage 3 year old cars these days....

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BigJohn



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a friends wifes' Renault Clio fail at 3 yrs, low miles, gently driven, brakes seized, discs fubarred. Skoda Yetis are failing due to rear disc corrosion. Well maintained high milers might be OK but the low mileage ones only get visual brake servicing. Then there are tyres, I have a relative who smashes his car up kerbs when parking, his tracking is always out and so are his tyres as a result, his son keeps on top of it but how many others do.......
There are too many muppets wandering amongst us to extend the first MOT to 4yrs.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigJohn wrote:
I had a friends wifes' Renault Clio fail at 3 yrs, low miles, gently driven, brakes seized, discs fubarred. Skoda Yetis are failing due to rear disc corrosion. Well maintained high milers might be OK but the low mileage ones only get visual brake servicing. Then there are tyres, I have a relative who smashes his car up kerbs when parking, his tracking is always out and so are his tyres as a result, his son keeps on top of it but how many others do.......
There are too many muppets wandering amongst us to extend the first MOT to 4yrs.
years ago on the day the car was registered, my wife once trashed a tyre when the car had 17 miles on the clock......she hit a pothole, I successfully sued the council, but it illustrates age or mileage is no guarantee of tyre condition !!

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PAUL BEAUMONT



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With most manufacturers offering warranties of more than 3 years and requiring that the vehicle shows its face at least once a year at a dealers to maintain the warranty this ought to be OK. Clearly tyres can fail if curbed or in potholes whether the vehicle is MOT'd or not!
I guess the problem becomes those who would prefer to forget about the warranty, forego the service cost and pay for a MOT - as the cheaper option
I would have thought that 4 years provided there are dealer stamps in the service book would be fair - if the vehicle is involved in an incident with no MOT or dealer stamp then the owner would be liable???? Just thinking out loud!
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we would probably do more for road saftey if drivers had to have a 4 year test !Smile

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emmerson



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a pleasant and helpful chap, when I noticed that the car in front at traffic lights had no brake lights (other than the hi-level one) I nipped out and told him.
He replied " Mind your own f***ing business. It's not due for MOT for another four months". It would have been its first MOT.

But I do agree with UKdave, even if just to teach people to check their lights regularly, particularly headlights.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmerson wrote:
But I do agree with UKdave, even if just to teach people to check their lights regularly, particularly headlights.
I passed my test way back in the in the 80's!! when I joined my current firm in 1988 we had to complete a defensive driving course, it was a real eye opener to me, and has served me well...2 weeks ago I attended a speed awareness course (rather than getting points) it was really good, and it made me think that every driver should attend such a course, say every 5 years. We have drivers on the road who have taken a test decades ago....and nothing since ... that cant be right ?
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peppiB



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passed my test over half a century ago - no instruction since. We didn't even have motorways in those days!

On the original topic, son bought his car, Mazda RX, six months old in 2003. First MOT at 3 years it failed and it cost him 3 grand to get it through. he still has it and every third year has to renew all the discs to get a pass
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