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Ellis

USA politics must be one of the most complicated and arcane subjects of any country anywhere in the world.

It's not just Liberals -v- Conservatives.

Hilary Clinton, a Democrat, was originally a Republican and nobody really understands how Trump was adopted as the Republican candidate.

Mrs Clinton is a highly intelligent woman, a formidable lawyer at one time and some say the "drive" behind her husband's presidency.

What do you all think?
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BigJohn · Joined: 01 Jan 2011 Posts: 954 Location: Wem, Shropshire

To the independent American voter it must seem like selecting to car share with a mad pit bull terrier or a hungry bear. I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw them.

Rick · Site Admin Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22802 Location: UK

petermeachem · Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Posts: 358 Location: Chichester Sussex

I don't much like either of them but Trump would be a massive disaster, God knows what he would be liable to do, so Clinton would get my vote

MikeEdwards · Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2722 Location: South Cheshire

From what I'm hearing, the president needs to get policies approved by Congress (and maybe the Senate as well, I'm not really up on it as I'm not all that interested), so whichever gets in, if they then decide to do something controversial, it still needs approval from Congress, and they've shown they can drag things out for years if they want to. I'm sure there's a list floating around of stuff that Obama has talked about doing, but still haven't been done even though he's been in for eight years.

But the image of them in the media does put you off either one of them. Maybe it's all just media hype, and them playing it for all the free publicity.

Peter_L · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:24 pm Post subject:

Being a stone's throw from the border, US television is the norm. We watched the debates and other programs. The idea of either of them as President is so far from ideal as to be horrific. What concerns me as a non- American, is how the country will deal with foreign policy and homeland security.

The runaway train can't be stopped pre election but I doubt either candidate will complete anything close to one term. If there is blame for how the two candidates reached this point then one has to look into a much flawed election process that allowed it to happen and a flame fanning media that insists on taking gasoline to a fire at every opportunity.

alastairq · Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2126 Location: East Yorkshire

If I were a Canadian [which I'm not, but I have blood rellies there]....I wouldn't trust the US of A as far as I could throw it.

After all, isn't it a fact they invaded Canada once, and seriously planned for it again in the 1930's?

Minxy · Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 273 Location: West Northants

47Jag · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject:

Alastair,

In the late 70's the Party Québécois were odds on to win the provincial elections and it's manifesto was separation from Canada. The St Lawrence seaway runs completely through Quebec at one point and it's the only part the the Americans don't/can't control completely. It later emerged the the Yanks actually had made invasion plans to secure their strategic interests in the Seaway. Quebec never did separate but I often wonder if they got a 'sniff' of the plan beforehand which made them chose a different plan.

Art

47Jag · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:10 pm Post subject:

Alastair,

In the late 70's the Party Québécois were odds on to win the provincial elections and it's manifesto was separation from Canada. The St Lawrence seaway runs completely through Quebec at one point and it's the only part the the Americans don't/can't control completely. It later emerged the the Yanks actually had made invasion plans to secure their strategic interests in the Seaway. Quebec never did separate but I often wonder if the got a 'sniff' of the plan beforehand which made them chose a different plan.

Art

52classic · Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 493 Location: Cardiff.

In our household we're rooting for Trump. For all his faults the issue is change or more of the same. For us that's no brainer.

I could never forgive Obama for his arrogant and patronising meddling in Brexit. All the more hurtful when I have always regarded America as our closest spirititual ally in the world.

norustplease · Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 826 Location: Lancashire

Peter_L · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:17 pm Post subject:

To date, and as an example of good manners, it is likely that this is the most polite and mature US election discussion to grace the internet.

Ellis · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject:

What I find difficult to understand is why the respective parties, Democrat and Republican, both chose candidates with "pasts".
Most of you will remember the Clintons and the Whitewater scandal, Hillary Clinton made a substantial sum of money dabbling in cattle "futures" and you only have to Google Donald Trump and you see masses of allegations about his private and business life.

It's all about money of course. Donald Trump has financed his own candidature and Hillary Clinton has support from American financial and economic powerhouses.

Recall 1980 when Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan both had unimpeachable pasts, standards seem have deteriorated since.
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1964 Jaguar Mark 2 3.4 litre
1962 Land Rover Series 2a 88"
2002 BMW M3 E46 Cabriolet