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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4232 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:52 pm Post subject: DVLA Incorrectly transposed chassis numbers |
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I'd be interested if anyone has dealt with the DVLA regarding this issue?
Specifically errors that were made when there was to the move to a Computerised system in 1983, for example 2's & Z's or 5's & S's may have been incorrectly recorded.
Whilst the DVLA will accept the keepers word that things like a colour is incorrect or even an engine number or capacity, these changes simply require the keeper to update the V5C and its accepted, however, and understandably no option exists to update a chassis number.
I'm about to contact them regarding one of my own vehicles where I know this is the case, but would appreciate knowing in advance of anyone else's experience.
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V8 Nutter
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 601
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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My main interest is American cars and from what club members tell me it depends who you speak to, or opens your email/letter how many problems you will have. They have made the system so complex they no longer understand it. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I had a case like this about thirty years ago, when it was at least possible to speak to a real person face-to-face at a regional office. Even then, with the help of the appropriate owners club who was able to provide factory records to show that the chassis number quoted was impossible, it took almost a year to get the records corrected. _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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bjacko
Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Posts: 516 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:09 am Post subject: Public Services |
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They are not famous for being quick, mainly because so many people are involved and their procedures are always more ridiculous every day. I think half of them are dreaming up new forms or adding amendments to existing forms to make them more complicated and the other half read them with a magnifying glass to see if there are any Ts not crossed or Is not dotted!! _________________ 1938 Morris 8 Ser II Coupe Utility (Pickup)
1985 Rover SD1 VDP |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7081 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone explain why private cars need to be accountable to the Government at all?
Yes, number plates are needed so the Police can identify a vehicle if needed...but otherwise it is officialdom for it's own sake, isn't it?
Vehicles don't need to be taxed twice in my opinion. It just makes for more bureaucracy. |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I suspect, that the remaining few staff [hanging on by their fingertips, no doubt?] at DVLA [following Govt. pressure to cut posts [not staff, just posts], are literally snowed under with a backlog of changes of details, etc etc.
Redundancy in the civil service, & amongst agencies too, I suspect, consists not of actually booting personnel out of the door [which can, & does, cost the department budgets a lot, if not careful]....but simply by eliminating those post numbers that a department has not been able to recruit for.
Thus, in each section, the remaining staff members, who still have the same workload planned for considerably more staff, just have to get on with it.
Factor in all those reasons for not being at work [of which all but the most self righteous of working folk know & understand all too well?} and we are left with delays, etc, on an ever increasing basis.
The Department of Work & Pensions is also in the same boat...
But then, we ordinary folk always did complain about taxation increases, etc etc, to pay for these public services which, if suddenly absent, would create a furore.
Remove the accountability involved with the private motor vehicle and we have total anarchy on the public highways.
Whilst we're at it, why do we need fire brigades? After all, insurance can take care of any pecuniary loss, and what's a few cooked people in the great scheme of things?
As a titewad pensioneer, I try to make my motoring activities as cheap as physically possible.
Thus, I do my darndest to drive within speed limits.
I do the minimum necessary to comply with the Laws regarding the condition of my vehicles.
I try my best to avoid an accusation of careless, or inconsiderate driving [My last job before giving up working for a living required me to display, regularly, the very highest standards of driving, in whatever vehicles they chose to assess me on...Handy in that I carry over all those skills to avoid the antics of others....but refuse point blank to try to 'educate' others......seeing as they don't pay for those skills!]
I have tripped over myself with my daily driver, as it costs rather a lot to 'tax [VED]...even compared to the same model of a couple of years older.
But my oldies have zero VED, and no requirement to fork out bits of pension on esoteric requirements like an MoT every now & then!
The DVLA only gives issues to those who haven't sorted out cockups years ago, really.
Medical driving licence issues are not exactly DVLA's fault, but lie with the medical facilities that are contracted to assess folk. In my experience!
Essentially, we have the system we all wanted, but don't want to pay for. _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7081 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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I don't expect people to agree with me but I would ask them to consider a world without an army of parasitical pen pushers and endless red tape. Could they imagine living in such a society? |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Could they imagine living in such a society? |
Nope!
Without the rules [we live in a rules-based society, called 'democracy?'] then the most belligerent, muscle-bound folk will do as they please, regardless of anybody else.
Who is it who decides we all need to 'keep left'' on a motorway? Who enforces that rule?
I might decide I want to live across your gateway. Because it suits me to.
Who do you turn to, especially if I have a bigger shotgun than yours?
Just because we as individuals wish to do something, but are prevented from doing so by someone creating & enforcing rules, doesn't mean that the rules are rubbish, simply because they don't suit us as individuals.
We have the administration system we've got, precisely because folk wanted to pay less & less of their income towards funding that administration.
Then they complain when the rules interfere with what we want to do as individuals.....& we cannot do as we please because complying with the rules takes so darned long!
In simple terms, without the 'pen pushers'...[IE anyone, but anyone who works in an office, for whatever reason, is, or was, in my book, a 'pen pusher'....regardless of how many degrees they've been lucky enough to acquire].....anything you want to do, I will find interferes with what I want to do.....and I won't like that at all......!
We need rules as a functioning society.
If I were a 'pen pusher', I'd hate to an extreme, the grubby little lorry driver wannabes out there.....Who all think 'they' know better......Which they, like everybody else, probably don't?
The upside would be, there would be no room in society for lawyers! _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22780 Location: UK
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peter scott

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7212 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes they just see what they want see.
My V5C has Make: Jaguar and Model: left blank
Whereas I am sure I will have told them:
Make: SS
Model: Jaguar
Peter _________________ https://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7081 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 12:58 am Post subject: |
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When I had my GT6 the V5 had some glaring errors that I felt needed to be corrected. I returned the form with an accompanying letter and happily a new V5 with the correct description of the car arrived a week later.
As has been noted, correcting a descriptive error is one thing,,,altering an incorrect chassis number is probably a completely different matter!! |
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Norseman
Joined: 09 Jan 2019 Posts: 114 Location: Essex UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Whilst we're at it, why do we need fire brigades? After all, insurance can take care of any pecuniary loss, and what's a few cooked people in the great scheme of things?
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Interestingly when fire brigades were first formed they were funded by the insurance companies with a remit to save property, rather than human life. _________________ 1987 classic Range Rover Vogue auto
1998 E39 523i SE auto sedan
A great many models have served me well since the 'sixties, all of them old & some even older than me. |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Interestingly when fire brigades were first formed they were funded by the insurance companies with a remit to save property, rather than human life. |
I was posting rather tongue-in-cheek back there....But it is amazing how close to the mark flippancy can be, to former reality? _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7081 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Talking about fire brigades of old; my parents house was a substantial Georgian property that had an original Norwich Union plaque attached to the front wall. I understand that in the past if there was a fire, the brigade would attend but only to houses that displayed the Insurance Company plaque.!
Needless to say, we kept our premiums up to date, just in case!
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't be worse than the ambulance system I read about, in New York/ [I believe?]
Whether one got collected by an ambulance depended on who one was insured with....and whether the relevant hospital was nearby?
In the UK these days, the issue is one of time....
Sometimes I wonder if Nurse Gladys Emmanuel wouldn't have been a better bet? _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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