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DVLA Incorrectly transposed chassis numbers
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:52 pm    Post subject: DVLA Incorrectly transposed chassis numbers Reply with quote

I'd be interested if anyone has dealt with the DVLA regarding this issue?

Specifically errors that were made when there was to the move to a Computerised system in 1983, for example 2's & Z's or 5's & S's may have been incorrectly recorded.

Whilst the DVLA will accept the keepers word that things like a colour is incorrect or even an engine number or capacity, these changes simply require the keeper to update the V5C and its accepted, however, and understandably no option exists to update a chassis number.

I'm about to contact them regarding one of my own vehicles where I know this is the case, but would appreciate knowing in advance of anyone else's experience.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main interest is American cars and from what club members tell me it depends who you speak to, or opens your email/letter how many problems you will have. They have made the system so complex they no longer understand it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a case like this about thirty years ago, when it was at least possible to speak to a real person face-to-face at a regional office. Even then, with the help of the appropriate owners club who was able to provide factory records to show that the chassis number quoted was impossible, it took almost a year to get the records corrected.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:09 am    Post subject: Public Services Reply with quote

They are not famous for being quick, mainly because so many people are involved and their procedures are always more ridiculous every day. I think half of them are dreaming up new forms or adding amendments to existing forms to make them more complicated and the other half read them with a magnifying glass to see if there are any Ts not crossed or Is not dotted!!
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone explain why private cars need to be accountable to the Government at all?

Yes, number plates are needed so the Police can identify a vehicle if needed...but otherwise it is officialdom for it's own sake, isn't it?

Vehicles don't need to be taxed twice in my opinion. It just makes for more bureaucracy.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect, that the remaining few staff [hanging on by their fingertips, no doubt?] at DVLA [following Govt. pressure to cut posts [not staff, just posts], are literally snowed under with a backlog of changes of details, etc etc.

Redundancy in the civil service, & amongst agencies too, I suspect, consists not of actually booting personnel out of the door [which can, & does, cost the department budgets a lot, if not careful]....but simply by eliminating those post numbers that a department has not been able to recruit for.

Thus, in each section, the remaining staff members, who still have the same workload planned for considerably more staff, just have to get on with it.

Factor in all those reasons for not being at work [of which all but the most self righteous of working folk know & understand all too well?} and we are left with delays, etc, on an ever increasing basis.

The Department of Work & Pensions is also in the same boat...

But then, we ordinary folk always did complain about taxation increases, etc etc, to pay for these public services which, if suddenly absent, would create a furore.

Remove the accountability involved with the private motor vehicle and we have total anarchy on the public highways.

Whilst we're at it, why do we need fire brigades? After all, insurance can take care of any pecuniary loss, and what's a few cooked people in the great scheme of things?

As a titewad pensioneer, I try to make my motoring activities as cheap as physically possible.

Thus, I do my darndest to drive within speed limits.

I do the minimum necessary to comply with the Laws regarding the condition of my vehicles.

I try my best to avoid an accusation of careless, or inconsiderate driving [My last job before giving up working for a living required me to display, regularly, the very highest standards of driving, in whatever vehicles they chose to assess me on...Handy in that I carry over all those skills to avoid the antics of others....but refuse point blank to try to 'educate' others......seeing as they don't pay for those skills!]

I have tripped over myself with my daily driver, as it costs rather a lot to 'tax [VED]...even compared to the same model of a couple of years older.

But my oldies have zero VED, and no requirement to fork out bits of pension on esoteric requirements like an MoT every now & then!

The DVLA only gives issues to those who haven't sorted out cockups years ago, really.

Medical driving licence issues are not exactly DVLA's fault, but lie with the medical facilities that are contracted to assess folk. In my experience!

Essentially, we have the system we all wanted, but don't want to pay for.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't expect people to agree with me but I would ask them to consider a world without an army of parasitical pen pushers and endless red tape. Could they imagine living in such a society?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Could they imagine living in such a society?


Nope!
Without the rules [we live in a rules-based society, called 'democracy?'] then the most belligerent, muscle-bound folk will do as they please, regardless of anybody else.
Who is it who decides we all need to 'keep left'' on a motorway? Who enforces that rule?
I might decide I want to live across your gateway. Because it suits me to.
Who do you turn to, especially if I have a bigger shotgun than yours?

Just because we as individuals wish to do something, but are prevented from doing so by someone creating & enforcing rules, doesn't mean that the rules are rubbish, simply because they don't suit us as individuals.

We have the administration system we've got, precisely because folk wanted to pay less & less of their income towards funding that administration.

Then they complain when the rules interfere with what we want to do as individuals.....& we cannot do as we please because complying with the rules takes so darned long!

In simple terms, without the 'pen pushers'...[IE anyone, but anyone who works in an office, for whatever reason, is, or was, in my book, a 'pen pusher'....regardless of how many degrees they've been lucky enough to acquire].....anything you want to do, I will find interferes with what I want to do.....and I won't like that at all......!

We need rules as a functioning society.

If I were a 'pen pusher', I'd hate to an extreme, the grubby little lorry driver wannabes out there.....Who all think 'they' know better......Which they, like everybody else, probably don't?

The upside would be, there would be no room in society for lawyers!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now, back to Dave's original question .... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes they just see what they want see.

My V5C has Make: Jaguar and Model: left blank

Whereas I am sure I will have told them:

Make: SS

Model: Jaguar

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had my GT6 the V5 had some glaring errors that I felt needed to be corrected. I returned the form with an accompanying letter and happily a new V5 with the correct description of the car arrived a week later.

As has been noted, correcting a descriptive error is one thing,,,altering an incorrect chassis number is probably a completely different matter!!
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Norseman



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst we're at it, why do we need fire brigades? After all, insurance can take care of any pecuniary loss, and what's a few cooked people in the great scheme of things?
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Interestingly when fire brigades were first formed they were funded by the insurance companies with a remit to save property, rather than human life.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interestingly when fire brigades were first formed they were funded by the insurance companies with a remit to save property, rather than human life.


I was posting rather tongue-in-cheek back there....But it is amazing how close to the mark flippancy can be, to former reality?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking about fire brigades of old; my parents house was a substantial Georgian property that had an original Norwich Union plaque attached to the front wall. I understand that in the past if there was a fire, the brigade would attend but only to houses that displayed the Insurance Company plaque.!

Needless to say, we kept our premiums up to date, just in case!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't be worse than the ambulance system I read about, in New York/ [I believe?]

Whether one got collected by an ambulance depended on who one was insured with....and whether the relevant hospital was nearby?

In the UK these days, the issue is one of time....

Sometimes I wonder if Nurse Gladys Emmanuel wouldn't have been a better bet?
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