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Cjmower



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Help wanted to identify racing car Reply with quote

Can anyone help us to identify this car. We think it is 1930's and was possibly used on the Shelsley Hill Climb - it was in a barn in Worcestershire for a long time. The front was obviously replaced with an aluminum bonnet and side panels and doors but we think the rear of the car and wheel arches are the original steel. It has a racing number 7 on the back - again see photos.
Can anyone help identify the car - we want to renovate it but don't know where to start when we don't have any information.
Thanks,

cjmower
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting find, thanks for posting the photos. If you have any shots of the front axle, it'd be interesting to see them. No ideas of who may have owned it in the past?

PS welcome to the forum Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PPS do you have the front panels, such as the grille? if so a photo of that would be handy too to see if it can be identified.

I've an interest in pre- and post-war hillclimbs, and have quite a bit of material (old programmes etc).

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we see a wheel hub and the axles please? Looks Austiny to me and fairly typical of some 50's specials.

Of course could be wrong!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going by the wheels, steering wheel and handbrake, it looks very much like an Austin Seven special to me!

If it is Austin, then the wheels are late twenties (19" with no hubcap) and the steering wheel looks like a Ruby wheel (1935 - 1939)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not possible to trace it with the registration number
CRA 365
CR was Portsmouth
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger-hatchy wrote:
Is it not possible to trace it with the registration number
CRA 365
CR was Portsmouth


Only if it's on the DVLA computer, and it looks to have been off the road years so probably isn't. Oh and it's the second and third letters, not the first and second, that give the code. CRA is Derbyshire, but I think it might be CBA (Manchester I believe, I haven't looked it up though). Difficult to read!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know looking at this again it seems to be just a typical 50's Austin 7 homebuild special. Racing nos are changed for each meeting and the rather permanent 7 painted on is probably just refering to the base chassis.
The steel rear is quite likely reused shaped panels from somewhere else.
CRA was a 1936 on issue and CBA 1946 on. Many specials were re registered when built then anyway.
I don't see this as a serious Shelsley competitor but who knows?
Perhaps the original poster might now like to provide more details.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tricky to tell in the photos, but doesn't it look a little big for an A7 special?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the large gap between front mudguards and the wheels, perhaps it was a trials car?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lust for more information!
The wing clearance I have assumed is due to the apparent absence of a power unit. Size is difficult to judge it may be a little larger than a 7 but the front panelling is extended forward. There don't seem to be any dumb irons which reminds me of the Ausford a confection of A7 chassis Ford 10 engine plywood sheets and Valspar sported as transport by a friend of my elder brother in the late fifties. It travelled hopefully but did not always arrive!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed it could be a Ford chassis but the wheels look A7 to me. It is rather frustrating when people ask for ideas then don't post again with more information or seem to visit the thread again.
I suppose there was some hope it was a valuable find I suspect its unlikely but who knows?
Time we heard from Cjmower again and yes I am impatient.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps whatever it is/was, whoever built it, helped to make it street legal by adding what appears to be two ex Austin A30 sidelights on top of the mudguards.

Was the very large #7, just a vanity number ?

It would be great to hear back from CJMower and perhaps even have some more photos.

I think that rear panel had to come off another vehicle and grafted onto this "special". I can't see that anyone capable of producing such a complex shape would have completely lost all their skills when they got around to building the front.

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I wondered what mysteries lurked in the shadows, maybe we were better not knowing ?


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